Chemical free hot tubs!!!

Chemical free hot tubs!!!
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Every manufacturer has a miracle system that will make owning a hot tub easier, and healthier and safer.

In this Video, we take a quick look at the different options like chemical systems, Saltwater hot tubs, Mineral systems, UV systems, Ozonators, and Enzyme systems and weigh the pros and cons of each.

I usually delete sales pitches and discussion comments, these sales pitches/debates are for the FORUMS NOT MY BLOG SITE… and should delete this one but I’m on vacation and feeling feisty so get the gloves on Boyo you don’t have a clue…

Salt is old tech being regurgitated as some new miracle system stay far away from it…

Salt just gets you to 1-3 ppm of chlorine or bromine, and the damn anodes need service yearly. you can get 3-5 times lower chemicals with aftermarket stuff… Remember you are breathing that chlorine in… its nasty carcinogenic shit

And the freaking salt is corrosive as hell say goodbye to the concrete, decking, and everything else around the spa from the over splash…

Hot tub guys hate the fact that the aftermarket stuff like spa marvel or AquaFinesse get you to half a part per million of chlorine and are easier and way way cheaper… They like salt (and all the other bullshit expensive ad-ons for chemical reduction) because they make a pile of cash off the up sell and servicing the stupid machine… stay away!!!

RD you are either misinformed or a dupe, or work for the marketing arm of the scum bags selling this snake oil, the science is clear this is not good tech and is riddled with issues and is high chemical and prone to failure, with health and property damage issues…!!!

Manufacturers are milking this the pitch now and a good pitch can close deals but what they don’t want you to know is the easiest most chemical free systems have nothing to do with the hot tub. In fact, the lowest easiest systems can be used on almost any hot tub…

 

Bromine and Chlorine systems toxic

levels of 3-5ppm of toxic chemicals

These high chemical old technology but beware a lot of brands private brand the chemicals to make them sound like something else and to trick you into paying more for these base chemical systems.

Salt water hot tubs

levels of 1-3ppm of toxic chemicals.

Salt water hot tubs are not chemical free, hell they are not even close the lowest chemical systems available, They are finicky, unreliable and have big failure issues, this tech was all the rage back in 90’s and most guys abandoned it and now some companies are re-introducing it as new tech!!! It’s a gimmick, all salt systems do is make chlorine or bromine!!

Ozonators

Every hot tub has one and you really don’t care about them, they do help but they only work well for about a year and frankly, it’s not worth spending the money to replace them your money could be spent in better places. They are a good helper system but nowhere near good enough to stand alone.

Enzyme systems – good –

These can be used in any hot tub and are far better than any of the onboard systems, they will let you get down to the same or lower levels of chlorine or bromine than the salt systems, for far less and you will have an easier time balancing the water. These work by breaking down inorganics like greases, oils, sweat and lotions freeing chlorine to deal with only the organics. You can order the Spa Marvel Enzyme system from us, Spa Marvel (US), Spa Marvel (Canada)

7028297-natural-water-dropsMineral systems -good-

Drinking water levels of chemicals These are arguably the best way to deal with your water, they are fantastic for your skin, in fact, Aquafinesse, the number one brand out there is used in hospitals in Holland to treat eczema on newborn babies! This system is by far the lowest chemical, easiest to use and best for your skin. hot tub companies hate it because you can use it on any tub and it is around the same price as the big onboard systems over time, and there are no parts to fail! Plus you can go 2-3 times longer without changing your water.

UV Systems – very good but expenive –

Probably the best onboard systems out there, this is the exact same system used to treat drinking water in large municipal water treatment facilities and in rural areas to treat well water to make it drinkable, Expensive and requires yearly service at around $300/year but in conjunction with ozone and a mineral pack can get to near chemical free.

 

 

 

 

 

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Nicole
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Nicole

Hi Chris. Getting our tub delivered this week and want to set up right from the start. Will do a full clean and drain before filling again for use. I’m leaning toward using the aqua finesse, however only 1 place in our city seems to sell it, so not sure if they carry the full product line or not. Does it matter what product you use for the cleaning, if they don’t carry the AF cleaner? As well, our tub has the uv system; any tips or anything we need to be mindful of with using the AF? Thanks!

Faith
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Faith

Thanks so much

Ryan Hewson
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Ryan Hewson

Chris, i’m looking for the video on Aqua Finesse. Do you have one? I have a jacuzzi j230 that was given to me from a family member….it is getting ready to get fired up after being winterized last year. I was going to go with the control o matic unit and use dead sea salt…..but you have me thinking twice.

is there a video? would you send back the contol-o-matic and switch to the aqua finesse?

Lisa
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Lisa

Hi Chris, we got our twilight 8,2 this week and are just loving it! Thx so much for your site info. Do you have a tip sheet for using the marvel spa enzyme? I called them to better understand how to balance my water before I added the bottle and it seems their ranges are a little different from what I see in your posts below for aquifinese. Also a little unsure how often to add chlorine and shock. My bather load is 2 to 4 people about 5x week and they suggested 1 tspclorine after each use and shock… Read more »

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Admin

Hi Lisa,
It sounds like there was some kind of miscommunication, in particular with the shock use, you want to be using roughly 1 capful of shock after each use or 2-3 capfuls if you have 3 or 4 people. Chlorine you want to be using between one to two tablespoons per week, if you can smell it on your water that is generally too much. Local regulations will probably suggest higher though.
I’m sending you an email with a tip sheet and a few points of my own.

Stacey
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Stacey

Hello! Love your site.

So, we purchased a TS 67.25 Master Suite and we are loving it. Thanks for the advice on checking them out. We are spa newbies and hadn’t thought much about chemicals and proceeded to us Master Spas right away. Upon reflection, we would like to use Aqua Finess (we just purchased their granular sanitizer water care system) Now that we have already started using Master Spas stuff, do we have to wait until we drain the tub before starting with this? Please say no!! (thanks in advance!) Stacey

John Kirsch
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John Kirsch

AquaFinesse seems to be a starter kit with chlorine granules, aims for 1-3ppm. This is not what is said on video, how come you say it’s your favorite?

Michelle
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Michelle

Hi Chris, I am SO happy to have found this site and your videos. I almost fell into the Hot Springs trap since it is what is sold locally. However, I found a Master and an Artesian dealer within an hour away. My question: In the Twilight brochure, in the fine print, under water management systems, it states you must have the QuietFlo water care system (24/7) if you want the MasterPur system…but isnt that a circ pump, which you say is not a good thing to have? Also-if I consider the 8.2, what ‘extras’ are a MUST add on?… Read more »

Kim W
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Kim W

Hello there! Awesome info and site. Thanks Chris!
I’m in Smiths Station, Alabama zip:36877
Looking for a 7/8 person spa including: hydrotherapy, chemical free/Aquafinesse, somewhere between $10-15k. After reading a fair bit of info on your site and elsewhere I’m considering Marquis or Master. Do you have a recommended model and dealer?

I have a lead on a Marquis Epic which the dealer is very motivated to sell. Thoughts?

Marko
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Marko

Hi Chris – thanks for all the sharing – I purchased a MasterSpa TW 8.25 with the EcoPure filter and have been very happy with the purchase over the past month. I am struggling with the chemistry. I am still using the starter pack MS provided, primarily Spa Boss Spa Plus product to add Cl. According to the distributor, the Spa Plus chemical acts as a sanitizer (34% Cl) then transforms into another chemical as it reacts with the residuals in the tub – so my free chlorine reading go from 5 ppm to 0 in just a few hours.… Read more »

Debbie Anderson
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Debbie Anderson

Hi Chris, Love your information and knowledge that you share and thank you immensely! I have a 2017 Master Spa Legends LSX700 and would definitely love to find something other than the standard chlorine chemicals that i have been using. I’m interested in switching to the AquaFinesse system, but since being a newbie to hot tubs, I’m not well educated enough to know if this is possible. My tub has the ozone, UV AND EcoPure mineral filters. Can you offer some guidance on what i need to do to convert to the AquaFinesse? It’s time for a drain and change… Read more »

Gary
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Gary

I have a hot tub that always makes me itch and usually I get a rash on my torso and lower legs.
I shower and use lotion after being in the tub and I still get very itchy.
I feel getting rid of the chlorine can only make it better.
Does the aquafinesse require much chlorine?
BTW, I have a smaller tub 250gal that my wife and I use once a week for 1-1 1/2hrs.
Our previous tub was about larger and we could sit in it all day on weekends with no problems if I took a shower after.
Any suggestions?
Thanks

Max
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Max

Hi Chris, Thank you so much for this site which has a wealth of info! I just received delivery of my 14-ft swim spa (1700 gallons). It sounds like you highly recommend Aquafinesse. I was looking at their site and they have a swim spa specific product that are disks that you put in weekly. Do you know if this product line is as good or have you had any experience with it? I love the idea of being about to keep a lower chemical level. Also, I was deciding between bromine and chlorine and had kind of settled on… Read more »

Tom Porter
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Tom Porter

Any opinion on Bullfrog Spas?

Deb
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Deb

Hi I appreciate your website thank you so much. My husband and I purchased a refurbished hot tub last year and just a few months ago finally finished getting it installed. We’re ready to get it filled and start using it. I really am not a fan of chlorine or bromine and would like to go with something natural currently were looking at the ahh natural (which is a pad I believe) and clarity. What are your thoughts on either of these? Or is there a better choice. Our hot tub is a Phoenix with all new balboa components. Thank… Read more »

jim
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jim

Hey Chris, I live near Phoenix and am leaning towards a Caldera Silina at the Hot Springs store, mainly because of it’s low maintenance. Between the ozone and two cartridge or packet system- one is replaced every month for $15 and the other every 3months at $25- the upkeep is fairly low. We had a hot springs Classic F with an 24/7 circ pump and i only added extra chemicals when we had a few people in. When it died i got a Divine Nature but it had a ozone pump that only worked when the main pumps were on… Read more »

Bakers
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Bakers

Any advice for a spa novice? We purchased a new BeachComber spa less than 2 weeks ago. I broke out with what the doctor says is Hot Tub Rash after only a few uses. As instructed we used the Spa Marvel cleaner, drained the spa, then used Spa Marvel Conditioner. 5 days later I have the rash. What could we have done wrong? I know you might not be able to answer, but I highly respect your advice!

Mike
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Mike

Chris,
Have you heard of ‘Natures Hot Tub Treatment’? A non chemical enzyme water treatment.
I am in the process of buying my first hot tub (possibly a Bullfrog, Caldera or Master Spa) and want a chemical free water treatment solution.
What is your opinion? Also would like your opinion on the 3 hot tub brands I mentioned. What is important to me is quality of components, low energy cost, ease of use and ease of maintenance.

Mark Newbigging
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Mark Newbigging

Just got my master spa on the web site it said to use a pre filter and put some metal x stuff in our spa marvel good enough thanx

Sam
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Sam

I see how you highly recommend the Aquafinesse mineral system over anything else. But I am wondering (as I am in the process of buying a spa) how you would feel about a combination of the Aquafinesse and the UV light on a twilight or HL series tub.

Brian
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Brian

The first part says stay away from bromine but the last part recommends aqua finesse but their solution uses bromine as well. Can you clear this up?

CJE
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CJE

I am deciding between a master spas twilight series and sundance chelsee. I want low levels of harmful chemicals and don’t want to spend a lot of time and money doing it. I don’t mind paying a higher up front price for extra features like UV and Ozonators if it means lower total cost of ownership over 5-10 years. it seems your suggesting using minerals in combination with chlorine. I understand this extends the water lifespan, but the mineral products sound expensive month to month (aquafinesse runs close to $40 per month alone?). What is the best combination of TCO… Read more »

Renae' Key
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Renae' Key

I have almost decided to get a Twilight 8.2, but I don’t have a dealer in my town. The nearest dealer is a little oven an hour away, & has only been selling Master Spas for a couple of months. They carried Hot Springs for 20 years, before switching to MS. I have a D1 dealer almost in my back yard. Should I get the 8.2 without a local dealer, or get a lesser quality tub with a local dealer? Also, if I order the Twilight is it worth getting the UV system…considering the up front cost & the yearly… Read more »

Tommy Campbell
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Tommy Campbell

Hello, I just purchased a new spa, HotSpring Grandee NXT. I was hoping that you could help me with determining which products from AquaFinesse to purchase. The spa gets delivered this Wednesday and I’d like to start it up on this system from the beginning. There’s 3 options from Amazon in regards to the AquaFinesse product; di-chlor, tri-chlor and bromine. If I have to choose, I think I’d rather go with the bromine system, but I can be convinced otherwise. Is there anything else I’ll need? The folks at the showroom want to sell you everything under their roof so… Read more »

Mark
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Mark

Is it worth the master 3 pure water system on the master spas as a option thanx

Mark Newbigging
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Mark Newbigging

What is the garden liesure brand like they use clamps and the good foam for insulation but is the rest any good what base would you use to put a tub on is concrete pad any good thanx

Shari
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Shari

I have been look8ng at Artesian Spas Island Elite Series or Island with Microsilk but confused by the water purification systems. They have Crystal AOP and Diamond APP which bot reference UVC. What is the difference? Are either of these the mineral water and UV systems like the Aquafinesse you reference?

Also interested in any comments on the Microsilk product. Not looking for any miracle cures…just a fun and different way to get lots of little bubbles…or does it feel any different than the air injected into the jets?

Spacemonkey
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Spacemonkey

I am planning on purchasing my first hot tub this fall and an overwhelmed at the options. I want as low chemical count as I can get. It seems like the mineral option is the best combined with a UV system. So many of the sales guys tell me certain systems are only available in specific models, generally the higher priced one, and cannot be installed in the lower models. Is this true for some reason? I don’t need anything fancy as far as lights and stereo goes. I just want a comfortable tub and as low maintenance as I… Read more »

Jennifer
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Jennifer

Hello, I’ve contacted in the past about best tub to buy, but my parents have just decided to get rid of theirs so we are going to be the new owners. It’s not the one we would have bought new, but best for our budget right now. It’s a 10 year old Hot Springs Grandee. My mom has kept it in pristine condition & always been vigilant on keeping the water clean. Now that I will have it, my children will be in it a lot & my husband plans to relax each night for his bad back. Questions as… Read more »

Sarah Mathieson
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Sarah Mathieson

Hi there We bought the Master Spa legacy after your feedback and it’s just been delivered. It comes with the EcoPur filtration system. I have been through the ‘starter’ box of chemicals as the water will go into the tub tomorrow, and am now feeling very panicked as this is our first hot tub… You mention using Spa Marvel or Aquafinesse – can I ask some daft questions… would the Spa marvel trio (cleanser, water conditioner, filter cleaner) totally replace the whole set of stuff from Master Spa or just some of it after the initial set-up? I was thinking… Read more »

Brian W
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Brian W

Hello and thanks for the wealth of information. I have a couple of questions for you: 1. you recommend master spa. we have a pretty good deal quoted for the healthy living 8 foot spa (i think)–it includes the uv light and circulator pump. 2. what is the difference between the 8 foot clarity master spa and the 8 foot healthy living spa ( the healthy living has a higher jet count and slightly larger pumps, but otherwise structurally or component wise is there a difference)? 3. What would a good price be for the 8 foot healthy living spa… Read more »

Waterdog
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Waterdog

Hello, first of all, thanks for all the info. After much research, I have a new Master Spa Twilight 8.25 just filled and heating in the back yard.

So I have the mineral filter but not the UV.

Just so I understand, your ultimate recommendation is Aquafiness combined with a floating dispenser for chlorine tablets?

I have my PH to the range you suggested, my alkalinity is still on the high side however. Not sure what to do there

Thanks again

Chris S
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We are looking at buying our first hot tub and we live in Western Canada, I have been looking at the Arctic Spa Summit tub with their “Spa Boy” system. Have you done a review on this new system and is it similar to the Aquafinesse system? I am just wondering if it is worth the additional money or if there is better tub’s out there at a better price point? Thank you!

Wayne
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Wayne

The mineral systems say there the best? What the cost and what exactly is it. Name brand? I went to a show on a hot tub called bare foot spas out of Va. Any comments.

Wayne
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Wayne

The mineral systems say there the best? What the cost and what exactly is it. Name brand?

Leslie
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Leslie

We are looking at a Marquis Spa. Kind of confused about the use of chemicals. With the Aqua Finesse system, do you still need the inline Frog bromine or chlorine? The Marquis Spas are designed with an inline system. Or do you use the chlorine tablets instead?

Also, do you know anything about the Zodiac Mineral Sticks? How does that fit in?

Thanks so much, your site has been so helpful!

Jacinta
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Jacinta

I’ve recently purchased and love a Master TS240. It has a mineral cartridge. Is this the same as aquafiness?